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21. Aesthetics / A. Aesthetic Experience / 6. The Sublime
People who miss beauty seek the sublime, where even the ugly shows its 'beauty' [Nietzsche]
     Full Idea: Whoever does to achieve the beautiful seeks the wildly sublime, because there even the ugly can show its 'beauty'. Likewise we seek the wildly sublime morality.
     From: Friedrich Nietzsche (Unpublished Notebooks 1881-82 [1882], 11[049])
     A reaction: Is the 'we' here Nietzsche, or the herd? The former, I guess, since some the values he likes seem rather ugly to me. He is a fan of war, for example. I'm guessing that massive destruction is sublime but ugly.
The sublimity of nature which dwarfs us was a human creation [Nietzsche]
     Full Idea: This beauty and sublimity of nature, before which every human being seems small, was first imposed on nature by us.
     From: Friedrich Nietzsche (Unpublished Notebooks 1881-82 [1882], 12[38])
     A reaction: I was struck when I was 10 with how indifferent to a landscape I was, when my mother told me it was 'beautiful'. Five years later I saw it differently. I assume nature is not intrinsically sublime. Dwarfed by our own concept is a bit odd.