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22. Metaethics / B. Value / 1. Nature of Value / b. Fact and value
Plato measured the degree of reality by the degree of value [Nietzsche on Plato]
     Full Idea: Plato measured the degree of reality by the degree of value.
     From: comment on Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 518d) by Friedrich Nietzsche - The Will to Power (notebooks) §572
     A reaction: A most interesting comment. It epitomises the Nietzschean reading of Plato, in which the will to power leads the sense of value, which in turn creates the metaphysics.
22. Metaethics / B. Value / 2. Values / b. Successful function
If something has a function then it has a state of being good [Plato]
     Full Idea: Anything which has been endowed with a function also has a state of being good.
     From: Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 353b)
     A reaction: 'ought' from 'is'?
A thing's function is what it alone can do, or what it does better than other things [Plato]
     Full Idea: The function of anything is what it alone can do, or what it can do better than anything else.
     From: Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 353a)
     A reaction: I take this concept to be the lynchpin of Aristotle's virtue ethics. Note that it arises earlier, in Plato. Perhaps he should say what it is 'meant to do'.
22. Metaethics / B. Value / 2. Values / d. Health
Goodness is mental health, badness is mental sickness [Plato]
     Full Idea: Goodness is a state of mental health, bloom and vitality; badness is a state of mental sickness, deformity and infirmity.
     From: Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 444e)
     A reaction: A nice statement of the closeness of goodness to health for the Greeks. The key point is that health is a deeply natural concept, which bridges the fact-value divide.
22. Metaethics / B. Value / 2. Values / i. Self-interest
Clever criminals do well at first, but not in the long run [Plato]
     Full Idea: Clever criminals are exactly like those runners who do well on the way up the track, and then flag on the way back.
     From: Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 613b)
     A reaction: Presumably there is some concept of natural justice lurking behind this comparison. Apart from the money, though, it is hard to imagine any professional criminal leading a flourishing life.
If we were invisible, would the just man become like the unjust? [Plato]
     Full Idea: Glaucon: with a ring of invisibility 'the just man would differ in no way from the unjust'.
     From: Plato (The Republic [c.374 BCE], 360c)
     A reaction: I think a highly altruistic person would behave well with the ring, but I'm sure Glaucon would claim that these habits would wear off after a while. But I doubt that.