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Ideas for 'talk', 'Mathematics without Foundations' and 'Pragmatism in Retrospect'

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6. Mathematics / C. Sources of Mathematics / 4. Mathematical Empiricism / a. Mathematical empiricism
Maybe mathematics is empirical in that we could try to change it [Putnam]
     Full Idea: Mathematics might be 'empirical' in the sense that one is allowed to try to put alternatives into the field.
     From: Hilary Putnam (Mathematics without Foundations [1967], p.303)
     A reaction: He admits that change is highly unlikely. It take hardcore Millian arithmetic to be only changeable if pebbles start behaving very differently with regard to their quantities, which appears to be almost inconceivable.
6. Mathematics / C. Sources of Mathematics / 4. Mathematical Empiricism / b. Indispensability of mathematics
Science requires more than consistency of mathematics [Putnam]
     Full Idea: Science demands much more of a mathematical theory than that it should merely be consistent, as the example of the various alternative systems of geometry dramatizes.
     From: Hilary Putnam (Mathematics without Foundations [1967])
     A reaction: Well said. I don't agree with Putnam's Indispensability claims, but if an apparent system of numbers or lines has no application to the world then I don't consider it to be mathematics. It is a new game, like chess.