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22. Metaethics / B. The Good / 3. Pleasure / c. Value of pleasure

[how important is pleasure in life?]

25 ideas
The wise prefer good to pleasure; the foolish are drawn to pleasure by desire [Anon (Upan)]
It would be strange if the gods rewarded those who experienced the most pleasure in life [Plato]
Most pleasure is release from pain, and is therefore not worthwhile [Plato]
Reason, memory, truth and wisdom are far better than pleasure, for those who can attain them [Plato]
Pleasure is certainly very pleasant, but it doesn't follow that all pleasures are good [Plato]
Would you prefer a life of pleasure without reason, or one of reason without pleasure? [Plato]
The good must be sufficient and perfect, and neither intellect nor pleasure are that [Plato]
It is unlikely that the gods feel either pleasure or pain [Plato]
Some pleasures are not good, and some pains are not evil [Plato]
People tend only to disapprove of pleasure if it leads to pain, or prevents future pleasure [Plato]
Philosophers are concerned with totally non-physical pleasures [Plato]
If we criticise bodily pleasures as licentious and bad, why do we consider their opposite, pain, to be bad? [Aristotle]
Nobody would choose the mentality of a child, even if they had the greatest childish pleasures [Aristotle]
There are many things we would want even if they brought no pleasure [Aristotle]
It is right to pursue pleasure, because it enhances life, and life is a thing to choose [Aristotle]
If happiness were mere amusement it wouldn't be worth a lifetime's effort [Aristotle]
We only need pleasure when we have the pain of desire [Epicurus]
Only accept beneficial pleasures [Democritus (attr)]
There are shameful pleasures, and nothing shameful is good, so pleasure is not a good [Chrysippus, by Diog. Laertius]
Stoics say pleasure is at most a byproduct of finding what is suitable for us [Stoic school, by Diog. Laertius]
Justice has no virtue opposed to it, but pleasure has temperance opposed to it [Aurelius]
What will you think of pleasures when you no longer enjoy them? [Joubert]
Pleasure is weaker, and pain stronger, than we expect [Schopenhauer]
We clearly value good character or understanding, as well as pleasure [Ross]
No one thinks it doesn't matter whether pleasure is virtuously or viciously acquired [Ross]